I had the distinct pleasure of interviewing Mary-Frances Winters, one of the foremost thought leaders in diversity, equity, and inclusion. Mary-Frances is the founder and CEO of The Winters Group, a consulting firm focusing on global organizational development and diversity and inclusion work. For the past 35 years she has impacted hundreds of organizations and thousands of individuals with her provocative approach. She also has a blog with great resources and articles called The Inclusion Solution. Also, stay tuned for Mary-Frances’ two upcoming books, Inclusive Conversations, set to be released in July of this year, and Black Fatigue: How Racism Erodes the Mind, Body, and Spirit. She gives us a sneak preview of both books in this episode!